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Talk:Ray Nagin/Archive2 (More information on the LJS revert war)

Talk:Ray Nagin/Archive3 (Even more information on buses/Superdome/Katrina war)

Latest LJS trolling?

The article has been repeatedly vandalised from a new IP address. The text inserted "Mayor Nagin doesn't care about Latino people!" is 'supported by a link to a page that does not mention Nagin. IP addresses associated with LJS have in the past peppered pages with racist graffiti so it is not unlikely. --Gorgonzilla 03:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

It almost doesn't matter. We've got enough eyes to just keep reverting. I note that this person has violated 3RR at this point, albeit with multiple IPs ... but since he or she is obviously not on a static connection, a 24 hour block for 3RR probably won't do any good. Just keep reverting -- at this point I basically consider it vandalism. Apparently even Trollderella's attempt to help wasn't good enough. · Katefan0^(scribble) 14:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I've fixed the section as best I can, except I have yet to find any evidence that the comments were criticized. Can anybody come up with a source for the "hispanic groups criticized the comment as racist?" I can't so far. · Katefan0^(scribble) 16:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I think that the reason that you can't find the source is that whatever event is refered to has been distorted out of all proportion. LJS seems to peddle POV nonsense even Limbaugh or O'Reily would not touch.

If it is LJS it would be relevant to the Rfc. I think that before long we are going to end up at a Rfa. I agree on the dynamic IP point, but LJS seems to have a limited pool available. I hope this does not metastacize into a wally on wheels situation. (preceding unsigned comment by Gorgonzilla (talk • contribs) )

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if some Hispanic groups criticized it. I just can't find anything that suggests they did to use as an actual source. If a source can't be found for the comment being criticized, then we should probably just remove it. Otherwise we are de facto saying it was bad. · Katefan0^(scribble) 17:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Found one... US Hispanic Chamber of Commerce [1]. Fixed. · Katefan0^(scribble) 17:24, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Bush's Criticism of State and Local Government

Bush's comments about the "tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities" shouldn't be presented as a criticism of C. Ray's mayoral administration during and after the storm or construed as "focusing on the failings of state and local authorities". EVERYTHING was overwhelmed by the magnitude of this storm. I'm not an apologist for either Nagin or Bush. There's plenty of blame for everyone to share. But this is both a mischaracterization of Bush's comments and a sideways POV slam against Nagin, likely in retaliation for his vitriolic criticism of the federal response (or lack thereof). Let's just include an actual published accusation against Nagin instead of this weak attack, if anyone has one that's relevant.

I don't really understand your objection. It's clear that the administration tried to shift the blame off on local governments. That'd be Nagin and his administration. How is that not relevant? · Katefan0^(scribble) 23:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I concur that certain members of this administration initally pointed the finger at local governments, including Nagin and his team, and perhaps rightly so in many cases. This quote from the president just doesn't serve for those potentially valid criticisms. "Strained capabilities" do not "failings" make. A quote that was actually a criticism rather than a mere POV spin of Bush's reporting of the obvious would be relevant. How about a Chertoff quote about the failures of local government, for instance? I know he was later quoted as saying he would NOT blame local governments but surely he initially did somewhere, especially if the president did. Economy1 23:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe this would penetrate my thick skull better if you'd find another quote you think makes the point better? · Katefan0^(scribble) 00:20, 9 November 2005 (UTC)