Talk:Tarot
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- Archived discussions that seemed to be finished here on 10.08.2005 to /Archive 01-- AlexR 10:14, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Kaballah and Tarot
The article implies that Kaballah and Tarot weren't related until the 19th cent. occult movement. I assume that's a reference to the Golden Dawn. Or Papus. But that's more of an assumption than anything. The cards first appeared, albeit in a somewhat different format, at the same time and in the same place as a flowering of non-Jewish interest in Kaballah.
I raise this here because 1) I'm not sure how to correct the article, 2) I'm a newbie and would rather not do harm in an attempt to do good, and 3) I'd like to see if anyone else has strong opinions. Adistius 00:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Lots of work to do
A while ago I wrote the tarot article for the German WP (de:Tarot) but I have barely touched this one. Partially that is because this one is, in my opinion, a bit of a mess. Then again, my idea what a good article would be might differ significantly from what others here think, and hence I want to put up these points for debate first.
- Historical stuff is spread through almost all headings of the text, but IMO it would be better to have it in one place. Also, the history of the cards could and probably should be kept somewhat more seperate from the use of the cards, at least until the rise of explicitly esoteric decks. Actually, a text on the history of the cards themselfes might very well be put into a seperate article; especially since large parts of that would also be relevant to tarot (game).
- Also, there is stuff that is more speculation than fact ("There is no reason to be confident that the surviving set of Major Arcana is complete. Of the four Classical Virtues, only Fortitude, Justice and Temperance remain. Can Prudence have always been missing? The Christian Virtues that would ordinarily complete them (i.e., Faith, Hope and Charity) [There are other cards which deal with these. For example the Star] are missing, however." - which also is straight from another website, too [1].) I suspect that far more bits are straight from other websites, too. (See the beginning of "Symbolism"; that bit also has some serious NPOV issues.)
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- Then, there is reason to be confident that the surviving set of Major Arcana is complete? Or is the missing Virtue something it is not permitted to notice? The missing card would not be noticed nowadays without drawing a little attention to it, carefully phrased not to express a point-of-view. --Wetman 11:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
- Then there is the issue of "divination" - many contemporary readers (and not just contemporary ones, either) are not that fond of this word or the concept behind it, and prefer instead to use the tarot as a tool for self-awareness and similar. (for example "Tarot card readers generally believe that Tarot cards simply allow them to exercise an innate psychic ability to see the future." - that is a highly problematic statement, since most tarot readers I know of, and that includes quite a few high-traffic mailing lists, believe nothing of the kind.)
- Also missing, IMO, is any information on interpreting the cards. Of course, the article couldn't even begin to give complete information there, but I think I did a decent job on de: with providing the readers with an idea of that matter. Anybody who reads some German is most welcome to comment on whether it would be a good idea to incorporate some things from the German article. -- AlexR 21:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
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- A separate history section would be welcome, as would some additions to the references. Would a very great deal of information have to be suppressed? A report on interpretation would not be the same as a personal essay on the "right" methods, of course. -Yes? -Wetman 11:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
The other tarot articles
There are several more articles dealing with Tarot, see Category:Tarot; many of them in need of some work, too.
Particularly, there are articles on all of the majors (Category:Tarot card) which are partly one-line stubs, and partly what seems to be copies from the Waite-book; the latter of course being highly problematic because well, they don't bother to tell that this is one specific interpretation of one specific deck. That means there is a lot of work to do there, too. -- AlexR 21:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
